Speaker 4: We had been thinking about as I have said we got into the real world, too. How this relates to stewardship? Financial stewardship, Social justice stewardship, Stewardship of our community.
Speaker 3: In addition to the major question of individualism versus community, like, inclusivity versus standards or whatever. The other thing that came up in our view that like was really of… like something that I am really struggling with, it is sort of as a universalist Christian, like you know, my belief is a faith that what I do in concert with all other people working for justice will bring about the golden age. You know, a million years from now or something, you know like that. That it is all about the belief that I am like bringing about a positive end-times or something like that, create a heaven on earth. That is the goal. That will not happen in my great-great grandchildren’s lifetime but, sometimes, it seems like instead of trying to bring about like heaven on earth, all we trying to do is slow advent of the imperialist Apocalypse and like the really bad end-times, the nuclear holocaust like global domination and _1:52_ type stuff. And there was a kind of a consensus in our group that like being an activist when you are trying to promote positive social change versus being an activist, who, is trying to slow negative social change, like it not only is a different kind of thing and requires different kinds of strategies and stuff like that but, boy, fucking sucks! Like hip, but it really takes the wind out of your sails and really sucks the inspiration right out of you, when all you are doing is like just trying to slow the Bush administration down. Like okay well we can not stop torture completely but may be we can like reduce the number of people who are being tortured or something like that. And that is it. Figuring out a way to find inspiration but to maintain inspiration would be the high priority.
Speaker 1: Okay. Generally the thoughts that I have been pulling out is just how to get with humans to work cross institutionally with other groups and just bring our community up a better world, so we are not always looking inside of ourselves and preaching to the choir and just bringing it out actually doing things that we are not allowed to. I am really tinkering little bit hungering down some of you like something that I could be feeling like hungering that hungering down as well and I do not know what I would like a little bit of intimate leadership. I would like to find out if this is a good start to experimenting with different forms of discussions and sharing of perspectives.
Speaker 2: So if _4:01_ thinking about how they questions? So they go back to the _4:06 church to support a place for activism. How do we take all of this back to our communities __4:14__ making our church communities as supportive as theologically, emotionally, communally supportive for activist and welcoming for activism. So you know, may be we all do not have to sign on to everybody’s causes, we all may have our own things we want to do and accomplish and the world but that we do not necessarily have to agree on the specifics but we can put the community church community place of hungry man and come together and ground ourselves.
Speaker 3: Yes, I guess, I am….Sort of mostly thinking about what would really happen if we got up there and started really preaching on the message about love, like _5:02_. That seems to be very positive but it also seems to very positive but it also seemed to be like let us slow down imperialist Apocalypse which may have already…. Yes. So that is the kind of where I think, maybe I am not wrong.
Speaker 5: I do not know _5:27_ right now and it is very _5:30__ and I want to work on like three months to the church and _5:45_ and make it a more welcome place for activism but also make my activism a more welcoming place for like, like the reasons why I do activism that have with us a spiritual side heard and make that a public priority _6:01_. Activism is just like a _6:04_
Speaker 3: I am interested in long term social change and I feel like new generation of church is a church that will stick around for the next generation. It is not like a little social group that is going to age and retire or do not have financial problems and fall apart. So I want to use the church in a way that leverages support for activists, provide space, teaches their children well, of these good things and I think, this weekend is, you know, there is huge well spring that it is really untapped around theological beliefs, convictions, actions of historical figures at universals and that, pardon you, I am not going to do this but I want someone to like critically, intellectual look up this stuff, synthesize it, and start writing new list of principles other sort of statements of faith that can help guide, our activism. Now, so we can not just have great tidbits of things you put out there, but critically interpret and summarize them and promote them, preach the work on His name. I think it would help, and at minimum it will push people’s buttons a little bit, and push arm but because it feel like we do not often, even challenge ourselves enough in today’s returning universals and so and I appreciate this group in lot of ways because the foundations barely happened bottom line… this is you know, sort of an emerging thread. Thanks to young adults, thanks to adult who have been supporting young adults and youth that grown up to be young adults, and that we are in view responsible for the shaping with the next generation with the universals and the look alike. You know, when we are 70, we are going to be here, you know, who knows.
Speaker2: It is good to be here the short time that I was here, and I share a lot of passions that you were just talking about. I teach 8, 9, and 10 years olds at my congregation on Sunday mornings since I worry a lot especially since I am teaching in their classes this year. We are worried about what the next generation of activists that are going to do and care about. How we are going to keep them connected to our _8:54_. So you said _8:58_? (laughs).
Speaker 3: I think that the slavery and the conditions that we were looking at this morning and the challenge that I presented and responses that our tradition gave, are so enormous and still so inspiring and broke through really seventeen hundred years of a oppression and marginalization and lay the ground work for in many ways, the hope that is for has been this country and as a teaching to the world what is trans 9:44_ and what are we as bearers of that.
Speaker 2: So you want to offer some kind of _9:57_ as well?
Speaker 1: By the way, _10:06_ and I guess something just popped into my mind, am not sure where exactly it came from, but I think it came from a big part of my experience with the first, the _10:24_ was just having support and having what, and I think that as you grow through that and become… you know, an adult working through the more logistical parts of being a congregation just like how does love survive being institutionalized against or having to work in an institutionalized setting.
Speaker 2: So we have two things left and thank you, everyone. (Claps). Now, we will be able and going to share sort of this seminar place in the universe, in the art of the universe that is the _11:18_ project and then Julie will be with us in the final closing. Okay. So _11:26_.
Speaker 3: We started the plan at about six months ago or so. We realized quickly it was going to be shorter one and a part of _11:39__ programming that we worked with previously and that I was thinking oh, let us do another one, that is a follow on of this. If this one was focused on the empowerment controversy and slavery and sort of the confrontation with the African, American, and their struggle for liberty that you used progressed through within that. Could the next one be about native Americans and what the confrontation has been there and what the learning and education dialogue has been there. So there is some discussion about is that next step, we will also use that because they are useful and some of us are planning at least, well, _12:20_ something _12:20__Is that what we want to do? There is another one that may be you are interested someone may happen may also around voting and discussions are of consensus and processing, and the right of conscience and role of _12:40_ that. So there is similar structures on the at least three events that would answer completely what we previously done is that one-week thing or four-day thing such as that. So, it looks like there’s support from different people to carry this on. Then there is one other thing which is I think part of the rituals is also going to be some writing and there might be some future dialogue and some net based to exchange and perhaps some discussions with some of the presenters as well. So they have offered that and that is the chance for us to carefully as this community as we also go back to our own _13:18_
Speaker 3: Not so many elders at one seminar. Usually they just come from little bits and pieces but because we are in Boston and place where there happens to be lot of renewed elders and _13:35_ that created an opportunity but also a challenge in terms of how the flow of the weekend went. So that is one of the piece, and that this has not happen since, about one year and a half ago in Boston, two-and-a-half years ago. So somebody could say we can deliver conversation that has been percolating but has been snowed over by last couple of years. And thirdly I want to say is one of the things I enjoyed about when I went to three four years ago at Star King was that you know, we are going also to really ask or business rule really asked to come and bring some of their own historical summary analysis because that is what lot of our speakers have done obviously, having Dean has a study of Parker, and he brought his analysis you know, and so to have that as that as apart of the work shop which I think should be a valuable addition to the future, because that we all become teachers in our own right and bring about this information back to our locally base.(inaudible)
Speaker 2: and yes, I feel so this is I guess for his one _14:46__and so they are always of learning experience and look forward to see to your own around and maybe we will do it next year. Hope so, I guess the last thing we did was in January of 2003 so instead of three years from now, maybe we will have some more of a repeat attenders, like the past lately. _15:11_(Claps)
Speaker 1: Alright. To close up… __15:26.(laughs).
Speaker 2: What we call warmer of that is something that _17:33_ as really got ___.